Friday, February 10, 2006

Any thoughts anyone? UPDATED!

Thankyou all for the wonderful responses! Its helped so much to gain these different perspectives. I always knew Olivia was 'beyond her years' but I guess I never considered that it would (obviously) affect the way she see's the world and how she functions in it. One analogy that I just read is standing out to me, that is: a child who is bright looks at the world through a microscope, a gifted child is looking through an electron microscope. wow so true. I went on to another website that provided this 'short list' and Olivia absolutly meets each and everyone of these examples: From the U.S. Office of Gifted and Talented: Short list of typical gifted preschooler (ages 2-5) characteristics: *Uses advanced vocabulary for age. *Uses spontaneous verbal elaboration with new experiences. *Has the ability to make interesting or unusual shapes or patterns through various *media: blocks, playdough, crayons. *Ability to assemble puzzles designed for older children. *Sense of humor used in general conversation. *Understanding of abstract concepts such as death and time. *Mastery of new skills with little repetition. *Demonstration of advanced physical skills. *Demonstration of advanced reasoning skills through explanation of occurrences. Comparison of Bright vs Gifted Bright Child *Knows the answers. *Interested. *Pays attention. *Works hard. *Answers questions. *Enjoys same-age peers. *Good at memorization. *Learns easily. *Listens well. *Self-satisfied. Gifted Child *Asks the questions. *Extremely curious. *Gets involved physically and mentally. *Plays around, still gets good test scores. *Questions the answers. *Prefers adults or older children. *Good at guessing. *Bored. Already knew the answers. *Shows strong feelings and opinions. *Highly critical of self (perfectionistic). An example of her attention span and physical participation: I am changing Rae's dressings both girls want to watch...2-3minutes in Maggie climbs down to watch a cartoon Olivia begins anticipating my moves and starts handing me Qtips, asking questions and when Rae begins to cry out Olivia rubs Rae's head and tells her she will be ok. A reactionary response from Rae(hitting my hand away from her tummy as im about to start packing)and Olivia without even thinking about it grabs rae's hand and holds it firmly. I guess part of me feels like, OK so shouldnt knowing and acknowledging these things make me feel better???? So why do I feel like crying? Sometimes lately with all of this stress I am so mean to Olivia, its not fair. Ive said things like: why cant you just be NORMAL?!??! Why wont you JUST GO PLAY with the other KIDS, WHY WONT YOU JUST GO AWAY. Its not fair to her, I need to read more, I need to reach out..I NEED to get her in preschool a few days per week so I can get a BREAK! *********************************************************** Here is a copy of an email I sent a friend last night...I typed it up in a hurry with two toddlers underfoot so its not the most organized of thoughts...LMK what you think? Olivia is doing great, shes slept all night in her own bed for the past 4nights *touch wood* she is still nursing before bed(for about 15seconds on each side) and then again for about 30-45minutes in the morning. I try to avoid nursing her at all during the day but sometimes she just NEEDS it. We are beginning to entertain the idea that Olivia might have some sort of spectrum issues....some things scream asperger's, others highly sensitive child. Mostly she is just WAY too smart for her own age, EXTREMELY sensitive to everything: lights-too bright too dark, smells(she cant use public bathrooms without gagging to the point of vomiting), sounds, heat-cold, if her sock is slightly twisted or a thread is hanging off her sleeve. She is such a con artist in ways that no children (that I know) her age would even think of...such as: I am in the other room doing Raechelles wound packing and Donna(Rae's partner is looking after her, Olivia wants me but is told no she has to wait. She screams and throws a HUGE hysterical fit, when she realizes this is getting her nowhere the tears are turned off instantly and a new plan is formed. Aunt Donna I have to go pee. Donna takes her to the bathroom. Aunt Donna I can go potty all by myself you leave the room please? Donna: No I think I will stay right here. Olivia: hmmm I cant poop without a story, Aunt Donna can you go get me XYZ book? Donna: (falls for it)goes to get the book. The SECOND Donna is out of the bathroom Olivia JUMPS off the toilet with her pants around her ankles and RUNS like a greased monkey down the hall way and bursts into the room where I am at. (no she didn't go to the bathroom) OK so that doesn't seem to have anything to do with a spectrum issue, mostly I am relating that to the emotional reactions...hysterical to calm literally with a blink of an eye. She has developed some form of a tic, she stares off and blinks twice really hard then stares off then blinks again, for the past few days we have also noticed her clear her throat and then sniff twice then clear her throat and sniff over and over again, like last night the entire time I read her a bedtime story. While she does make eye contact she often stares off when shes talking to you. She is extremely rhythmic, to the point of being obsessive. When she wakes up she says over and over and over sun is up time to wake up, sun is up time to wake up. Then she wants to watch cartoons, then she wants cereal, then she wants to get dressed, certain shirts always go with certain pants, if a sleeve is bugging her we might go through 5or6shirts. IF she's eating or drinking and ANY liquid gets onto her clothes she HAS to change, she is completely intollerant of having wet clothes on. IF we are going to transition from playing blocks to eating lunch she needs like a 10minutes warning and we need to remind her like every 2minutes, in 8,6,4,2minutes we are going to make lunch. If we go somewhere we cant just put her in the car...if we start getting ourselves ready to leave the house is FLIPS out: Mommy look at me! Mommy talk to me! Mommy tell we what we are doing? Where are we going? Who will be there? how long will we be gone? will we buy something? What will we buy? and shes frantic about it. When we are driving to say Target and I make a left on a street Id normally turn right on(to say avoid traffic and take a back street) she KNOWS that's not the RIGHT way to get there and starts all over: Mommy where are we going? Mommy look at me! Mommy talk to me... why did you turn Left? Mommy to get to Target you turn Right. She is so INTENSE its never ending. Anyway I could sit and type about all of this for hrs...She is so smart and always has been, its just changing I don't know how to better explain it...like one other example give a toddler a basket full of colored rubber bands you'd expect them to toss them around the room put them on as a bracelet etc. Well she DOES do that stuff too but more often than not you'd find her with the basket of colored bands and shes sorting them out a blue pile, a red pile, a green pile. OR she'll get one of her longer tree blocks and put on an orange band-then a red-then a blue---then an orange-then a red-then a blue over and over, she is so focused and so deep in thought you have to touch her to get her attention. What doesn't add up to asperger's is her emotional connection, she is so empathetic and so in tuned with her feelings and those of the ppl around her. If she see's someone crying she will say: why you sad? I will make you happy, I will hold you, its OK to be sad...do you want to talk about it? I will help you? Tell me why you are sad? and if you tell her: I am sad because of XYZ she wont just say OK and move on she will sit and talk with you about it, ask you questions and tell you about how she too was sad when: her bird died, her papa died, when Mommy went away over night and she missed her etc etc. its NOT NORMAL she's TWO YEARS OLD. I am so overwhelmed taking care of her

8 comments:

gabrielle said...

as the mum of a gifted child and the aunt to another alot of this sounds pretty familiar. At 11 bella is just starting to really cope well with spontaneous outings, at two it would phase her to the point of melt down. She loved lists, planning, needed heaps of warnings that something was happening, coming up. my nephew can't go to the movies because it is too loud, is super sensitive..so many things you have mentioned about olivia. My guess to the escalation in her behaviours would be everything that is going on in her life. Gifted children like control and order, I suspect Rae being so sick and the changes that has brought to all of your lives, plus being bright and empathetic she understands a whole lot more than just her auntly rae is sick, and this has thrown her for a loop. The increased somewhat obsessive behaviours are a way of gaining some control back in her life...and yes it is exhausting parenting a child like this. I would get her assessed for giftedness, once we had that assessment for Bella lots of things made sense plus we could acess suitable education stuff for her. Here there is a preschool playgroup for gifted kids...just my thoughts but hope they help. There is a difference between giftedness and just being bright for your age and often the tip off is these sorts of behaviours

em1__mak2 said...

I agree with Gabrielle that Olivia's behavior rings of gifted, especially "highly gifted," which is the very highest range of giftedness. I began studying this area with great interest when I started noticing these same "eccentricities" and oversentivities in my child. With a preschooler, all of these traits are magnified 1000 fold even in the best of circumstances. Olivia's brain is working far ahead of what she can handle emotionally at her chronological age. While she might indeed have a PDD of some sort, she very well might just be trying to control her world in the only way she can. There are resources to have her tested either way, and support groups online and off to help parents make sense of and cope with the unique emotional needs of these children. Lots of good thoughts to your families right now. ~mel

Laura said...

I agree with Gabrielle and Mel that it does sounds like Olivia is very highly gifted and this may be part of her way of dealing with the world. Maybe she also has some sensory integration issues? Also gifted kids can be twice exceptional, gifted and also being somewhere on the spectrum. There were many times I wondered about this with Brendan. When he was 1 and even into the 2s, he was very intolerant to transitions, had issues with loud noise, with tags, with seams in his socks, etc. I've found that at 3, and especially in the last 3 or 4 months, he's changed in so many ways and alot of the worrying behaviors have gone by the wayside. He still has trouble connecting with other kids but I really believe that's because of the giftedness. He sees things and relates to things in a very different way than most kids his age and I think the don't know what to make of him alot of the time. If you're really concerned, definitely have her assessed. I hope you just have a very bright little girl who sees and reacts to her world in her own unique way.

Anonymous said...

Having been on the spectrum myself as a kid (I pretty much grew out of it, but still have some "tendencies" as an adult) and also having worked with children on the spectrum before, from what you wrote it doesn't sound like your daughter is on the spectrum.

Anonymous said...

"Raising Your Spirited Child" addresses a lot of the behaviours that you've described with Olivia and gives some ideas for dealing with the intensity.
HTH,
Jennifer

~ danielle said...

Coming out of lurkdom in dissention of the other commenters... you described my son here for the most part. At his 5 year well child, I will discuss Aspergers/High Functioning Autism with is pediatrician (we don't go for any other reason, like shots, so might as well get her opinion on something we might agree on). While I do believe my son is gifted (ex. he basically taught himself to read at the age of 3), there are parts of his personality that make it really hard for him to function in the world. I'm not looking for a diagnosis, but I am looking for information, tools, etc. to help make his journey in this world go alot smoother. At this point, it's full of HUGE bumps. I want him to be happy, when he's screaming for 20 minutes because I didn't make the right kind of potatoes for dinner - he's not happy.

I wish I listened to myself two years ago when we started looking at Sensory Integration Dysfunction and I knew that it was a start, but there was something more. I have some big issues with the Spirited Child book... because of that book, I let myself believe that he was just 'normal' when in my heart, I knew it was more than 'spirited'ness. I have not read all of it, but have heard great things about "The Out-of-Sync Child".

We've since realized that he's sensitive to a few foods that affect his mood/behaviors/sleep patterns so that is helpful.

Anyway, I've rambled long enough. But know that you are not alone on this path. I'd be happy to talk to you more in depth any time.

Anonymous said...

Sounds rather Indigo-child-ish to me. Not really Asperger's too connected, not any repetitive motions, etc. besides the tic. The Out of Sync Child is also a good book. But check out th eIndigo Child online, yu might relate to it.

Anonymous said...

Some of what you describe seems right on for sensory integration issues--sensitivity to lights, sounds, smells, seams in socks or tags in clothes, poor eye contact especially when close (visual defensiveness), emotional intensity--which can occur without any autism being present. Your comment about her concern for others doesn't sound like autism. From the mom of a 15-month-old, newly identified with sensory integration disorder.

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